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Jason Bourne ([personal profile] brokenweapon) wrote2011-07-26 12:01 am

036. - Video. - Kangaroo Court

[Warden Filter.]

I'd like to address the concerns raised by Tim Drake in his most recent post. Namely, that I used torture on David as punishment for when he kidnapped and impersonated me for a week. I didn't.

David was not harmed or mistreated, and that can be corroborated by both another warden and another inmate. I was teaching him a lesson about the misuse of his powers; he's been unethical with them in the past. The only way to get through to him was to use a punishment that would stick. I saw no viable alternative, and if one had been available I would have used it.

And I was angry. I'm no saint, but saintliness is not in the job description.

The punishment was harsh; so was what he did. I underestimated how much it would affect him, but I will not apologize for doing my job.

Lynch me for that if you want.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 09:26 am (UTC)(link)
Except, and I hate to be blunt in this, if that's what you really did, it's about the equivalent to me putting my inmate in a bath of water and letting her electrocute herself. Which I actually think one of you sick ba

I think Tim's point stands. There's teaching a lesson, there's punishment, and there's stepping over a line where you're actually causing mental trauma. Which is not only counter-productive, but downright immoral. Now, I don't know the exact nature or circumstances of your inmate. But I do know that I have an inmate with significant powers - and they're damn tricky and dodgy things to deal with. But there's one thing I learned: If you abuse those powers, if you use them against them, if you use them as a matter of control or punishment, you are not teaching them anything.

Essentially, what I think you did here was abuse his powers. Which is not exactly teaching him anything about abusing them himself. It doesn't matter how unethical he's been with them in the past. To be unethical with them back at him is plain wrong. So I don't think you were doing your job at all. I think you were making him suffer.

And I don't know the entire situation. But I do know that using an inmate's power against them doesn't teach lessons. It's just damaging. There's no lynching here, but I'd like to see a far better explanation than the one given.

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[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not going to do that to him again, if that's what you're worried about. It was no picnic for me either. And again, my explanation is I was tortured for a week while he stole my DNA, which is uniquely harmful to me. I didn't even mind the physical pain so much. It's what he did to me in using his power that was awful.

And I taught him that his power shouldn't be taken lightly. He's had the opportunity to take revenge on me since then; he's even had his powers back during the dinosaur port. He had the opportunity to kill me more times than I can count. He hasn't.

I can tell there's an expectation that as a warden, I should rise above his level of actions. I didn't. And frankly, for that offense, I couldn't. I don't expect you or anyone else to understand that.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
If you couldn't rise above his level of actions about it, then you should have had at least sense enough to step away and let someone else deal with it. Because victims should never get to prosecute their attackers - even in these circumstances - it leads to vindictive, retributive and cruel punishments. Which this was. And you shouldn't be allowed to do it, or get away with it, just because you think he's learnt something. You can learn things from being killed - doesn't make it right.

I've been tortured by at least one, if not two inmates. Killed by my own. I consulted at least three other wardens before taking action against her for that beyond her initial apprehension.

The fact remains that it doesn't matter that he's learnt something - you also abused his power back at him. That's not an acceptable form of punishment. That's misusing someone, and against themselves. I expect something to be done about it, because yes. You should risen above his actions. If you couldn't, you should have at least admitted you couldn't. I understand it's horrifically difficult sometimes, but that's why you take that into consideration when you're both the victim and the punisher. Instead of going along with something that you've admitted you essentially only did because of what he'd done to you.

warden filter - bless your heart, Howie, but you're not gonna change his mind on this.

[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't. It happened. Even though I've been here for over a year and a half, I've never needed to consult anyone else about disciplining any inmate I've had. I'm used to working alone and acting quickly, and my time here hasn't changed that.

Next time I will check my actions, but what's done is done. [The end, basically. 'Cause he's done here.]

Re: warden filter - howie's mind never moves either. brickwalls, man.

[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 01:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Then maybe you need to consider changing that, because not talking to anyone, working alone and acting quickly without thinking how this was cruel and vindictive, has meant you've done something awful, and I will try and have you face consequences for this, because I find it intolerable. Intolerable that it happened, intolerable you're still justifying yourself and also intolerable that it should go without consequence.

warden filter - come at him, bro.

[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Fine.

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[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Look, if I could change what I did, I probably would. But I can't, and it's over, and I'm not about to do it again, so I don't see a point in flogging a dead horse.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
The point is to make it clear that we find it unacceptable as a whole and to set a precedent that this is not right - both to each other, and the inmates. Also, to ensure some level of fairness.

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[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Given the excoriation I've been subject to for using my own judgment, I thought that was made clear enough - unless you're going to stake me out on the deck for people to throw things at. Like I said. I'm no saint. And it's not going to happen again. What kind of assurance do I have to give you for you to believe me on that?

[Your talk of fairness is baffling to him, because he knows such a concept does not exist.]

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not asking you to do any of that.

I'm asking you to submit to any punishment - the logical consequences of you doing wrong, I'd like to point out - agreed upon by the wardens. Punishments which do not and will not include a public excoriation or humiliation - but if I was recommending them? I'd suggest a partial probation with another warden having to check all your decisions. Of your choice and within reason. Sveta did the same, and she did nothing against her own inmate that you have.

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[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 02:59 pm (UTC)(link)
With the way I've been jumped on in the past few days, I'm expecting an unreasonable punishment, so pardon my sarcasm. Which wardens, exactly, are going to be judging me? And yes, this excoriation has been public, as Drake didn't come to me first with his concerns. I'm already a villain to most of the people who saw his post.

I'd agree to that. Probation I have no issue with.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I was not going to take action until there was a statement from you on the subject, and, if it were denied, absolute proof it had happened. You were jumped on, I imagine, because a lot of people saw fault in what you did and had no immediate means through which to express it.

As for which wardens - all of them. We operate in a collective way - that means as many wardens can stand up for you and say they don't see a problem as those who do. It aims to balance out any kneejerk reactions; which I will advise against. I couldn't do anything else.