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Jason Bourne ([personal profile] brokenweapon) wrote2011-07-26 12:01 am

036. - Video. - Kangaroo Court

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I'd like to address the concerns raised by Tim Drake in his most recent post. Namely, that I used torture on David as punishment for when he kidnapped and impersonated me for a week. I didn't.

David was not harmed or mistreated, and that can be corroborated by both another warden and another inmate. I was teaching him a lesson about the misuse of his powers; he's been unethical with them in the past. The only way to get through to him was to use a punishment that would stick. I saw no viable alternative, and if one had been available I would have used it.

And I was angry. I'm no saint, but saintliness is not in the job description.

The punishment was harsh; so was what he did. I underestimated how much it would affect him, but I will not apologize for doing my job.

Lynch me for that if you want.
peektuttut: (E; You're not serious.)

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[personal profile] peektuttut 2011-07-26 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
So basically you saw your only option as putting him through hell and you're unrepentant despite recognizing that it seriously affected him.

[Disgusted noise and he's out. He will wait to be disappointed in or surprised by the other wardens.]

most_feared: Please don't use.    Screencaps @ http://screencap-me.livejournal.com/90245.html and http://screencap-me.livejournal.com (k - gizmo)

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[personal profile] most_feared 2011-07-26 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
Can you tell me why it could have possibly been traumatic for him or would that be confidential information about your inmate?
aforger: (should-- should feed it back to us [w])

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[personal profile] aforger 2011-07-26 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
Why not change him into something else?
timesbureaucrat: (CIA)

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[personal profile] timesbureaucrat 2011-07-26 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think lynching is on the list of recommended warden punishments.

More to the point, I believe Mr. Drake's concern is for psychological harm more than physical. That said, as far as I can see David's mental state is less troubled than, for example, O'Brien's identity crisis since Miss Persson's hard work has stripped away much of his doublethink. Or Arthas after his soul was returned to him. Inflicting psychological pain on one's inmate in pursuit of graduation is not exactly novel here.

But I do wonder what sort of lesson he was supposed to learn?
Edited 2011-07-26 05:16 (UTC)

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[identity profile] notiaraincluded.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 05:45 am (UTC)(link)
Alright, so I've pretty much heard this other guy's argument and while I'm not convinced that you tortured your Inmate, I do wanna hear your side of this.

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I'm aware of the fact that apparently there some history with being a rat against his will, so what I wanna know is why you chose that "body" specifically.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 09:26 am (UTC)(link)
Except, and I hate to be blunt in this, if that's what you really did, it's about the equivalent to me putting my inmate in a bath of water and letting her electrocute herself. Which I actually think one of you sick ba

I think Tim's point stands. There's teaching a lesson, there's punishment, and there's stepping over a line where you're actually causing mental trauma. Which is not only counter-productive, but downright immoral. Now, I don't know the exact nature or circumstances of your inmate. But I do know that I have an inmate with significant powers - and they're damn tricky and dodgy things to deal with. But there's one thing I learned: If you abuse those powers, if you use them against them, if you use them as a matter of control or punishment, you are not teaching them anything.

Essentially, what I think you did here was abuse his powers. Which is not exactly teaching him anything about abusing them himself. It doesn't matter how unethical he's been with them in the past. To be unethical with them back at him is plain wrong. So I don't think you were doing your job at all. I think you were making him suffer.

And I don't know the entire situation. But I do know that using an inmate's power against them doesn't teach lessons. It's just damaging. There's no lynching here, but I'd like to see a far better explanation than the one given.

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[identity profile] some-kinda-hero.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 03:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Look, while I wasn't okay with the whole gun point thing or making David think he was stuck as a rat for the of his miserable days on this thing, I do think you had the right idea. Torture is being tossed around like some hot potato and I, just, do not.....if no one here by now knows that fucking with your identity is taboo, then we all need some better communication and bonding time. It's like they're ignoring the fact that Hoffman, Slick, and David attacked you. Do their Wardens know about that, by the way?


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Do they all know that David has vowed to kill both you and me?

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[identity profile] puzzleprince.livejournal.com 2011-07-27 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Timothy should have attempted to speak with you privately on this matter before publicizing tenuous information, though I'm inclined to dislike you for causing psychological damage to a child.

With this extra information, I don't endorse punishment. You were harmed just as much as he was, by several people, and you've already said you wouldn't do it again. Anyone throwing around righteous expectations on the barge is asking far too much. [He snorts.]

I really don't know why we don't put up a basic rules sheet, so at least, when someone has acted out of line, they actually know they've acted out of line before the entire barge turns them into a villain. Honestly.
batmanschmatman: (Flying to funerals isn't particularly fu)

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[personal profile] batmanschmatman 2011-07-29 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
Saintliness might not be, but knowing how to control your anger and do what's best for your inmate? Might be something you want to work on in the future. ["Might be" really meaning do it or else, of course. And while Dick isn't using a Batvoice, this is definitely a Titans leader, do not fuck with me right now voice.]

How exactly are you hoping to help this kid if you're just going to bully him into doing what you want and "learning lessons"? All you're doing is making him feel like you're the enemy here. He thinks you couldn't give a shit about what happens to him here, and honestly, if you do, it's buried pretty damn deep.

I get that what he did was traumatic, but as a warden, you're supposed to either overcome that and move on, or step down for the benefit of your inmate. Make your decision and stick with it. That's your job, not punishing someone badly enough that they're more messed up then when they came here.

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And next time you involve Costigan in something like this? You're going to have me to deal with. [Bourne you do not want this in your life. :|]
knowsthepeople: (& I know a lot of people.)

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[personal profile] knowsthepeople 2011-07-29 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
So, why exactly are you here, guy? Honest question. Just curious.