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036. - Video. - Kangaroo Court

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I'd like to address the concerns raised by Tim Drake in his most recent post. Namely, that I used torture on David as punishment for when he kidnapped and impersonated me for a week. I didn't.

David was not harmed or mistreated, and that can be corroborated by both another warden and another inmate. I was teaching him a lesson about the misuse of his powers; he's been unethical with them in the past. The only way to get through to him was to use a punishment that would stick. I saw no viable alternative, and if one had been available I would have used it.

And I was angry. I'm no saint, but saintliness is not in the job description.

The punishment was harsh; so was what he did. I underestimated how much it would affect him, but I will not apologize for doing my job.

Lynch me for that if you want.

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So basically you saw your only option as putting him through hell and you're unrepentant despite recognizing that it seriously affected him.

[Disgusted noise and he's out. He will wait to be disappointed in or surprised by the other wardens.]

Can you tell me why it could have possibly been traumatic for him or would that be confidential information about your inmate?

I said I'm not going to apologize for doing my job. But I'm not aiming to change your mind, because I'm already the bad guy to you.

It's not a form he likes. [King of the understatement!]

Why not change him into something else?

It's just not a form he likes? [He senses some understatement here.]

He had to know I was serious.

I'm not an idiot holding to a point, Bourne, you just haven't done anything to prove you're not.

He has some history with it. [He's not really wanting to say more, because he doesn't want to fling David's file open for all to see.]

Then no explanation I give will be good enough.

To be fair, I spend a good amount of my time getting him out of trouble.

Right. [Won't ask more than that. Because yeah, not unless David said something, which he can always ask.] How unethical has he been prior to the Barge?

I believe forcing him to stay as someone or something else would be equally serious and considerably less damaging, based on what you and Mr. Drake have said.

Unethical enough to impersonate a dying teenager and give false hope to the teen's family for a full recovery. [Saddler card, played.]

Did he do it for shits and giggles?

I don't think lynching is on the list of recommended warden punishments.

More to the point, I believe Mr. Drake's concern is for psychological harm more than physical. That said, as far as I can see David's mental state is less troubled than, for example, O'Brien's identity crisis since Miss Persson's hard work has stripped away much of his doublethink. Or Arthas after his soul was returned to him. Inflicting psychological pain on one's inmate in pursuit of graduation is not exactly novel here.

But I do wonder what sort of lesson he was supposed to learn?

Edited 2011-07-26 05:16 (UTC)

Alright, so I've pretty much heard this other guy's argument and while I'm not convinced that you tortured your Inmate, I do wanna hear your side of this.

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I'm aware of the fact that apparently there some history with being a rat against his will, so what I wanna know is why you chose that "body" specifically.

Except, and I hate to be blunt in this, if that's what you really did, it's about the equivalent to me putting my inmate in a bath of water and letting her electrocute herself. ~~Which I actually think one of you sick ba~~

I think Tim's point stands. There's teaching a lesson, there's punishment, and there's stepping over a line where you're actually causing mental trauma. Which is not only counter-productive, but downright immoral. Now, I don't know the exact nature or circumstances of your inmate. But I do know that I have an inmate with significant powers - and they're damn tricky and dodgy things to deal with. But there's one thing I learned: If you abuse those powers, if you use them against them, if you use them as a matter of control or punishment, you are not teaching them anything.

Essentially, what I think you did here was abuse his powers. Which is not exactly teaching him anything about abusing them himself. It doesn't matter how unethical he's been with them in the past. To be unethical with them back at him is plain wrong. So I don't think you were doing your job at all. I think you were making him suffer.

And I don't know the entire situation. But I do know that using an inmate's power against them doesn't teach lessons. It's just damaging. There's no lynching here, but I'd like to see a far better explanation than the one given.

The only other manageable form for him that I know of would have been a bug. And as for "someone", I'm not letting him morph another sentient being under any circumstances.

Edited 2011-07-26 11:48 (UTC)

He did it to show off to the kids who gave him the power in the first place. The guy he morphed was the cousin of two of them.

He treats his power as a car he's taken for a joyride - carelessly. With it, he's a sociopath. Without it, he's a normal, if messed-up, kid. Just taking it away would have been a slap on the wrist and he would have sought out more creative ways to kill me.

His lesson was that his power shouldn't be taken lightly. He used it to inflict psychological harm on me. I turned the tables. Maybe next time he'll think twice before stealing someone's identity. Or not do it at all.

I was attacked, kidnapped, and tortured for a week while he went around wearing my face and using my body. He had to be punished and Zero wasn't going to do a damn thing. He was held for half the time he held me and a fraction of the time he spent in that form before. He was treated humanely as a rat and was checked in on by others to make sure. I have done nothing but get his ass out of trouble since the end of his punishment. That's my side.

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Partially because of the history. Partially because my other options were insect and rattlesnake. And I'd have to be an idiot to keep him around in a poisonous morph.

I'm not going to do that to him again, if that's what you're worried about. It was no picnic for me either. And again, my explanation is I was tortured for a week while he stole my DNA, which is uniquely harmful to me. I didn't even mind the physical pain so much. It's what he did to me in using his power that was awful.

And I taught him that his power shouldn't be taken lightly. He's had the opportunity to take revenge on me since then; he's even had his powers back during the dinosaur port. He had the opportunity to kill me more times than I can count. He hasn't.

I can tell there's an expectation that as a warden, I should rise above his level of actions. I didn't. And frankly, for that offense, I couldn't. I don't expect you or anyone else to understand that.

If you couldn't rise above his level of actions about it, then you should have had at least sense enough to step away and let someone else deal with it. Because victims should never get to prosecute their attackers - even in these circumstances - it leads to vindictive, retributive and cruel punishments. Which this was. And you shouldn't be allowed to do it, or get away with it, just because you think he's learnt something. You can learn things from being killed - doesn't make it right.

I've been tortured by at least one, if not two inmates. Killed by my own. I consulted at least three other wardens before taking action against her for that beyond her initial apprehension.

The fact remains that it doesn't matter that he's learnt something - you also abused his power back at him. That's not an acceptable form of punishment. That's misusing someone, and against themselves. I expect something to be done about it, because yes. You should risen above his actions. If you couldn't, you should have at least admitted you couldn't. I understand it's horrifically difficult sometimes, but that's why you take that into consideration when you're both the victim and the punisher. Instead of going along with something that you've admitted you essentially only did because of what he'd done to you.

I didn't. It happened. Even though I've been here for over a year and a half, I've never needed to consult anyone else about disciplining any inmate I've had. I'm used to working alone and acting quickly, and my time here hasn't changed that.

Next time I will check my actions, but what's done is done. [The end, basically. 'Cause he's done here.]

Then maybe you need to consider changing that, because not talking to anyone, working alone and acting quickly without thinking how this was cruel and vindictive, has meant you've done something awful, and I will try and have you face consequences for this, because I find it intolerable. Intolerable that it happened, intolerable you're still justifying yourself and also intolerable that it should go without consequence.

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warden filter - bless your heart, Howie, but you're not gonna change his mind on this.

Re: warden filter - howie's mind never moves either. brickwalls, man.