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Jason Bourne ([personal profile] brokenweapon) wrote2011-07-26 12:01 am

036. - Video. - Kangaroo Court

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I'd like to address the concerns raised by Tim Drake in his most recent post. Namely, that I used torture on David as punishment for when he kidnapped and impersonated me for a week. I didn't.

David was not harmed or mistreated, and that can be corroborated by both another warden and another inmate. I was teaching him a lesson about the misuse of his powers; he's been unethical with them in the past. The only way to get through to him was to use a punishment that would stick. I saw no viable alternative, and if one had been available I would have used it.

And I was angry. I'm no saint, but saintliness is not in the job description.

The punishment was harsh; so was what he did. I underestimated how much it would affect him, but I will not apologize for doing my job.

Lynch me for that if you want.

warden filter - come at him, bro.

[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Fine.

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[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Look, if I could change what I did, I probably would. But I can't, and it's over, and I'm not about to do it again, so I don't see a point in flogging a dead horse.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
The point is to make it clear that we find it unacceptable as a whole and to set a precedent that this is not right - both to each other, and the inmates. Also, to ensure some level of fairness.

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[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Given the excoriation I've been subject to for using my own judgment, I thought that was made clear enough - unless you're going to stake me out on the deck for people to throw things at. Like I said. I'm no saint. And it's not going to happen again. What kind of assurance do I have to give you for you to believe me on that?

[Your talk of fairness is baffling to him, because he knows such a concept does not exist.]

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not asking you to do any of that.

I'm asking you to submit to any punishment - the logical consequences of you doing wrong, I'd like to point out - agreed upon by the wardens. Punishments which do not and will not include a public excoriation or humiliation - but if I was recommending them? I'd suggest a partial probation with another warden having to check all your decisions. Of your choice and within reason. Sveta did the same, and she did nothing against her own inmate that you have.

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[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 02:59 pm (UTC)(link)
With the way I've been jumped on in the past few days, I'm expecting an unreasonable punishment, so pardon my sarcasm. Which wardens, exactly, are going to be judging me? And yes, this excoriation has been public, as Drake didn't come to me first with his concerns. I'm already a villain to most of the people who saw his post.

I'd agree to that. Probation I have no issue with.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I was not going to take action until there was a statement from you on the subject, and, if it were denied, absolute proof it had happened. You were jumped on, I imagine, because a lot of people saw fault in what you did and had no immediate means through which to express it.

As for which wardens - all of them. We operate in a collective way - that means as many wardens can stand up for you and say they don't see a problem as those who do. It aims to balance out any kneejerk reactions; which I will advise against. I couldn't do anything else.

Private. Video.

[identity profile] some-kinda-hero.livejournal.com 2011-07-26 03:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Look, while I wasn't okay with the whole gun point thing or making David think he was stuck as a rat for the of his miserable days on this thing, I do think you had the right idea. Torture is being tossed around like some hot potato and I, just, do not.....if no one here by now knows that fucking with your identity is taboo, then we all need some better communication and bonding time. It's like they're ignoring the fact that Hoffman, Slick, and David attacked you. Do their Wardens know about that, by the way?


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Do they all know that David has vowed to kill both you and me?

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[identity profile] puzzleprince.livejournal.com 2011-07-27 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Timothy should have attempted to speak with you privately on this matter before publicizing tenuous information, though I'm inclined to dislike you for causing psychological damage to a child.

With this extra information, I don't endorse punishment. You were harmed just as much as he was, by several people, and you've already said you wouldn't do it again. Anyone throwing around righteous expectations on the barge is asking far too much. [He snorts.]

I really don't know why we don't put up a basic rules sheet, so at least, when someone has acted out of line, they actually know they've acted out of line before the entire barge turns them into a villain. Honestly.

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[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-27 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
I get the feeling that's not his MO. And let's be honest - if you're inclined to dislike me, then you're far from alone.

Thanks. Good to hear a new opinion. Whether I'm punished for this or not, I get the feeling I'm going to be PNG for a while. [Shrug. It's not like people pay too much attention to him anyway.]

Private. Video.

[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-27 02:58 am (UTC)(link)
Something I learned a while ago is that losing track of time is the easiest way to...to really get under someone's skin. I should have told him. I was angry, but I was also an asshole. And I'm not a fan of that word getting tossed around either.

Claire, nobody knows about that because I haven't told them. I don't like people knowing that about me unless I trust them. Sort of like David doesn't like people knowing about his history with the rat. Too late for that second one to stay under wraps now. I don't even tell people about what I did before I came here.

I told Morrigan about Hoffman's involvement, and Flynn knows what Slick did. But you know, even though I wasn't the aggressor, I'm the bad guy now. David's a kid, and not everyone on board knows exactly how much of a sociopath he can be...even though I thought I made that obvious with that post last month.

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Doubt it.
most_feared: please don't use, i paid for these (k - arms crossed)

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[personal profile] most_feared 2011-07-27 01:23 pm (UTC)(link)
What did they do to you while you were being held?

Private. Video.

[identity profile] some-kinda-hero.livejournal.com 2011-07-28 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
[Sighs.] What can I do for you? Right now.

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Well, assuming they are reading this, they do now.
batmanschmatman: (W: Um no kidding this is srs bsns.)

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[personal profile] batmanschmatman 2011-07-29 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
You've got to be kidding me.

Do you know how many times Hoffman's told me he wants to play a "game" with me? Eddie Brock decided revenge sounded like an awesome idea after I kicked his ass during a flood. Death threats and acts of violence are status quo around here, and if you can't accept that and choose not to act on them - like a mature, responsible person would - you should probably step down. The fact that you're trying to use that to justify Bourne's - and presumably your - actions means anyone could get away with doing something to an inmate just because they were threatened.
batmanschmatman: (Flying to funerals isn't particularly fu)

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[personal profile] batmanschmatman 2011-07-29 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
Saintliness might not be, but knowing how to control your anger and do what's best for your inmate? Might be something you want to work on in the future. ["Might be" really meaning do it or else, of course. And while Dick isn't using a Batvoice, this is definitely a Titans leader, do not fuck with me right now voice.]

How exactly are you hoping to help this kid if you're just going to bully him into doing what you want and "learning lessons"? All you're doing is making him feel like you're the enemy here. He thinks you couldn't give a shit about what happens to him here, and honestly, if you do, it's buried pretty damn deep.

I get that what he did was traumatic, but as a warden, you're supposed to either overcome that and move on, or step down for the benefit of your inmate. Make your decision and stick with it. That's your job, not punishing someone badly enough that they're more messed up then when they came here.

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And next time you involve Costigan in something like this? You're going to have me to deal with. [Bourne you do not want this in your life. :|]
knowsthepeople: (& I know a lot of people.)

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[personal profile] knowsthepeople 2011-07-29 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
So, why exactly are you here, guy? Honest question. Just curious.

Private. Video.

[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-29 11:48 am (UTC)(link)
Honestly? Nothing. People are going to think what they will about me, and trying to explain my side isn't doing much to help my case. Or yours, it looks like.

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[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-29 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
That's my business.

[Warden Filter] - He is really annoyed with having to repeat himself so much :|

[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-29 11:59 am (UTC)(link)
I've already said I'm working on anger management. [Hoo boy, he is not a fan of repeating himself. Menacing voice also gets a resounding 'meh'.]

He made me an enemy in his head before we were even paired. And all the stuff I've done to help him out - which is not insignificant, by the way - is getting buried under something I did because I was angry and a little deranged. And I have moved on from it. I'm not going to do this to him again.

Again, I'm not a saint. Not pretending to be. Never did. The Admiral obviously wanted me for a reason - maybe it's my way of looking at the world, maybe it's my methods - but I'm not going to please everybody with how I do things. And frankly, I shouldn't have to.

[Private]

Costigan came in of his own accord. He even talked me down on the length of time for the punishment. And he's friendly with David, from what I understand. If you don't want him talking to me, then take that up with him, but I was not about to ignore him pounding on my door after that post.

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[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-29 12:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Claire had nothing to do with this. All she did was watch David for me for an hour while I slept for the first time in a week.

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[identity profile] some-kinda-hero.livejournal.com 2011-07-29 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)
On the contrary, I was bringing it to your attention so that, should it happen in the future, not only will you know who, but you'll have your motive as well. A head's up, to say, so an eye can potential be kept on them. I'm no newbie to death threats, I've had the Joker, Hannah, and Armand threaten me weekly, the latter of which tried more than once and only failed because of my ability.

Private. Video.

[identity profile] some-kinda-hero.livejournal.com 2011-07-29 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
[Sighs.] Yeah.

Private. Video.

[identity profile] brokenweapon.livejournal.com 2011-07-29 03:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for having my back, though.

Private. Video.

[identity profile] some-kinda-hero.livejournal.com 2011-07-29 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Every time.
Edited 2011-07-29 17:13 (UTC)
batmanschmatman: (I'm the goddamn Dick Grayson.)

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[personal profile] batmanschmatman 2011-07-29 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
[lol Bourne. Dick couldn't think you were more of an idiot.] "I was angry" isn't an excuse. "I learned my lesson" is a little better - [Slightly patronizing right there.] but seriously, I don't care about why you're here or what you think of yourself or why you think you should stay. I just think your whining about people responding badly to you torturing your inmate is ridiculous. You did something that crossed the line. People found out about it. What were you really expecting to happen?

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